To Tank or Not to Tank in Mobsters
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HELLO MOBBIES:
For those of you that don’t know, there has been much debate on if it’s worth it to get your stats to 150 energy so that you can do the Rhino Tank mission at level 100. I plan to shed some light on the subject using numbers, and numbers don’t lie!
(Keep in mind that this post is assuming ALL skill points were put solely into att/def. I understand there are many, many more variables at play that can affect the outcome of who would have the stronger mob. Remember, this topic is simply a PROOF OF CONCEPT, NOT an end-all definitive answer to what mob will always be stronger no matter what!)
The tank has an attack of 90. This is 72 more than the Humvees.
The defense is 45, which is 28 more than the SWAT. That is a combined advantage of +100 att/def. Also, in order to have enough energy to do this mission, you’ll need to put your skill points into nothing but energy for over 40 levels.
Now, the tank mission gives you 300 exp points every time you do the mission. This means that you level up every time you get one. (until level 115. This will not make a huge difference in the math at this point and I will explain later)Mobster A has 150 energy. His att/def is at 162. This is a total of 81,000 adjusted att/def, all mob members accounted for.
Mobster B has 10 energy. His att/def is at 302. This is a total of 151,000 att/def.What this means, to compare 2 possible level 100 mobsters, who have 500 mob members each, with all the vehicles/weapons maxed out (assuming no skill points were put into either stamina or health, to take those variables out of the equation):
The difference between the 2 mobsters’ stats is B > A w/ 70,000 pts. At this point, Mobster B can easily whoop on A in a fight.
Mobster A gets a tank. He is now level 101.
Mobster B also levels up, and both can put their skill points in att/def. This increases both of their stats by 1,500 each.
Mobster A will also receive the additional +100 stats for the tank. Now the difference is 69,900. Things still aren’t looking good for A’s tender hindquarters.
Mobster A continues getting tanks and leveling up, and Mobster B continues leveling up via other means.
By the time they both hit level 151, Mobster A will have 50 tanks. The adjusted att/def difference between our two fellow mafioso is now at 65,000, with B still having a very clear advantage. Assuming these two mobbies have been at war against each other this whole time, B will steadily beat the living piss out of A in a fight.Fast forward to level 601:
Mobster A now has 500 tanks, one for each mob member. After patting himself on the back, Mobster B attacks him. Uh oh. Mobster B still, after 500 levels, has an att/def strength that’s +20,000 over A. A loses the fight, and now begins to wonder if these tanks were such a good idea. He then becomes very pissed, swears at Mobster B and calls him a cheating *** in his comments, scraps the current profile, makes himself a nice hot bowl of mac and cheese to feel better, and creates a new low-level bounty hunter named NoTanksForMe. The end.
Here is the hiccup: after level 115 or 120, the exp needed to level up jumps to 500. This does throw off some of the original math a bit. The point does still stand: for the fights to even out, it won’t be for quite a long time. This is especially true when you think about how long it takes to refill your energy between missions - approximately 1 day per tank. This means that it’ll take over a year before you have your necessary 365 tanks to beat up on the other mobsters.
My many thanks to Barlow for the information!!
Until next time
Capo Tuna
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January 31, 2009 pm31 6:31pm
I just invested a lot of points into energy in order to do the tank mission, does that mean now that i wont win anymore fights? did i get that that right?
January 31, 2009 pm31 6:57pm
No…you will still win fights. This is just a very basic mathematical example showing why I do not think the tanks are a good investment. You can take the information and apply it to your mobster accordingly. I will be honest, I have 56 tanks right now. However, given the chance to do it over, I would opt not to get them again. Hope this helps.
January 31, 2009 pm31 7:25pm
now its too late anyway. thank you,
February 2, 2009 pm31 12:34am
The problem is that if you don’t have your energy up to do the tank missions you won’t be able to do the missions to get Police Escorts or Exoskelletons (sp) either. All of these stats add up along with the tanks as well.
February 4, 2009 pm31 12:51am
Personally I went with thanks and I don’t regret my decision. I have 480 in my mob and I win about 85-90% of the time when I attack and about 70-75% of the time when I am attacked. I actually went to 300 energy to make sure I never waste time not getting it. Good post, just a quick correction: at the end, it says you get enough energy for about 1 tank a day; this is not true. If you don’t waste any, you earn enough energy for 1.92 tanks/day, even more if you chose the insomniac(i think that’s what it is) option at the beginning. So while he says it would take a year to get 365 tanks, it would actually take only 261 days to get all 500.
February 14, 2009 pm31 12:17pm
I went with the tank too because you can get 6 for the price of 1 helicopter. I made the mistake of rushing to the higher level without enough income. At 600,000 x 500 per hour I am way behind. That’s 300 million per hour. ow.
February 14, 2009 pm31 3:35pm
Ok. I am level 192 w/ 78 tanks. I have 92 attack and 244 defense. I rarely attack anyone because a pissed off person probably put me on a vulching list because every time I sign on I look at my broadcasts, seeing it filled with attacks. I win around 3/4 of the fights. But when fighting others I don’t really stand a chance. Do you think it would be a good idea to continue getting tanks? Thanks.
February 16, 2009 pm31 5:57pm
I have 3 levels of mobsters…
!st one I have tanks… When i reached 150 energy I started to loose fights.. I have only added to defense level 345 and I win most when attacked and loose 80 when I attack someone.
My level 180 I have only 10 energy, 250 health, 6 stamina and all my other skill points are in attack and defense.. 1/4 attack and 3/4 defense.. I win 95% of fights when I attack or get attacked by someone.. over 17,000 wins and less than 1400 losses… This guy is the Ultimate mobster..
February 16, 2009 pm31 6:00pm
Give me your ID and I will come pay you a visit… 1 tank a day unless you watch or time out excatly when you need to log on and get a tank when your energy is full..
February 24, 2009 pm31 8:50pm
I spent 500 points on energy, Ya.
February 28, 2009 pm31 12:13am
So what Your supposed to have 100 health at lvl 100.. yea right. Give me those tanks. I wanna live.
February 28, 2009 pm31 2:12am
Ok — i will fess up, I am a Tank addict.. right now I have about 92.. i get 2 a day … I am at level 127… and to be honest, I am cleaning house with them. Most who are at level 127 cannot match up with me.
luv jo-cee
February 28, 2009 pm31 1:47pm
lo. capo tuna! this guy like hitlisted me. just today. hahaha.
March 2, 2009 pm31 10:47pm
well here is the kicker … yet another figure you did not add … i now have a level 167 mobster with something like 110 tanks because of … deaths .. lots of em granted but i tend to start wars let myself get killed or even punch myself to death or fight suicide off the hitlist … this is something a person without the energy can match ….
March 5, 2009 pm31 5:37pm
after (i can’t remember what level) but when you get to level 400, you need 10k experience to level up, and i have 300 energy to get 2 tanks as often as possible. i think it’s better for an attacking purpose to have tanks when you pass 300… i’ve been splitting it up though between stuff and only have 130 my self, but they work out just fine for me
March 8, 2009 pm31 3:10am
u should invest most points into atk and def of course. but im doing 150 for the tanks. i have 500 mobbies and all r equipped. i dont lose when people attack me but i win when i attack. im lvl 143. im still trying to make some money though. & u dont really need health in the game. the less health u have the less damage u do and ur opponent does.
March 8, 2009 pm31 3:15am
wait capo!!! this doesnt make sense. so the tanks r a bad idea!!!??? but if u invested into atk and def, then thats like only 3 points. compare that to the 90-45 of the tanks!
but when i lose matches at my level i usually dont lose by much. i atk with 32 and the other guy atks with 35. use that as an example. will the tanks help?
March 8, 2009 pm31 3:19am
i have 200 health, 25 stamina, 138 energy, 103 atk and 125 def. my record is 9533:1465.
not bad. i have about 200 deaths and 200 wacks. keep in mind, i only atk people who dont have 500 mob. and i do it multiple tmes, thus i have many deaths cuz they hitlist me.
i am going for the tanks rght now. i hope it was the right decision.
March 15, 2009 pm31 10:18pm
i have 1000 health, 400 energy, 20 stamina, 100 att, 100 def, and 50 tanks, i have less than 400 mobbies, and i have not died more than 5 times, i have lost 2000 times, won 6000 times
March 18, 2009 pm31 10:25am
Can’t you buy tanks once you have unlocked them with the mission? By my estimation, I make 202 mil per hour and it would take me 5 trillion to buy all 500… so that is 1 day of not buying anything and I can have 500 tanks at level 100 (I am at 94 as of today) and I will still be getting about 150 mil per day, right?
BTW my stats are 35 att, 50 def, 140 energy, 320 health and 25 stamina. My mobster is the one that gets stamina the fastest. By level 100 I should have my energy at 150 and my health at 400. I lose about half the fights when people attack me but I win 99% of those that I start.
March 18, 2009 pm31 10:28am
oh yeah. I have 470 in my mob and I am waiting until level 95 to get more… don’t you have to have 50 new ones for helipads or something?
March 19, 2009 pm31 3:23pm
level 100 now. tanks are not purchasable.
March 19, 2009 pm31 4:52pm
I have 384 tanks, 35 exoskeletons, 15 police escorts….I win 80 percent of my fights, at level 319, however, those that put all those points into att/def are the ones that actually can beat me….i dont play enough, but when i do i get godfather points completing free offers…then i fill my energy (300) get two tanks, kill myself, so i dont level up, that way, in another week or two ill be winning all the fights because Ill have too many tanks, exoskeletons, and police escorts for them to win, however i have killed my self well over 3000 times in the last 7 months lmfao…..but within a month it will all be worth it when noone that attacks me can beat me haha…..
March 21, 2009 pm31 10:46am
Ok now, lets just say that you are like me, and decide to camp at a lvl with your tanks, lets say, 120. What I mean is, every time you do the tank mission, you gain your 300 experience, but then you kill yourself several times until you lose all 300 exp so you do not level up. And you do that until you have 500 tanks, and you are still at level 120. Who wins then? somehow I’m still doubting that anyone around the level of 120 will be able to come very close to the guy with 500 tanks. And then you do the same at lvl 150 with the police escorts, and then 200 with the exoskeletons. Time consuming? yes. but definitely worth it if no one can touch you.
March 31, 2009 pm31 4:30pm
Do the math. 90 attack points for one tank, the 150 skill points covers everyone in your mob when put into attack or defense. So if you add the 90 points into attack and the 45 into defense it gives you the 500 tanks ability’s. Now you double gun your mobster with humvees and swat… gives you 109 attack and 108 defense per 500.
You and your mob used: 500 Guided Missile Launcher, 500 Humvee, 500 Trans-Kevlar Armed Suit
XxSYLENT KNIGHTxX’s mob used: 262 Rhino Tank, 1 Armored Rolls Royce, 345 S.W.A.T. APC, 508 Advanced Ballistic Armor, 508 10-Liter Sarin Gas Sprayer
You won, dealing 677 damage to your enemy and taking 398 damage. You have gained 154 experience and looted $70,000.
April 3, 2009 pm31 5:57pm
DO NOT WASTE UR POINTS ON ENERGY!!!!!!!!!1 POINT = 500 POINTS IN WEAPONS…DO MATH…MY STATS R ..40000 WINS 670 LOSSES..IM A LVL 208..AN 400 OF MY LOSSES R FROM BOUNTY HUNTING…I DONT LOSE PERIOD!
April 17, 2009 pm31 12:01am
June 8, 2009 pm31 6:37pm
Well , with energy from others , and the ability to die ( I kill myself off to not level) Id say tank is the only way to go ! Im still putting most towards my defense . Im going to get 500 tanks before level 200
June 23, 2009 pm31 10:50am
Ok, so I had a level 413 whom after I’d gotten my stats to:
Attack Strength 210
Defense Power 557
Max Energy 200
Max Health 2650
Max Stamina 16
I used 500 Sarin gas tanks, 500 Swat APC’s, and 500 of whatever armor had the most defense.
I realized I wasn’t winning many fights I got attacked in, only ones I would attack other’s in. So I decided to make another account, from scratch, it is now level 132 or 133 with the following stats:
Attack Strength 10
Defense Power 241
Max Energy 60
Max Health 1100
Max Stamina 8
And I rarely lose a fight I am attacked in, but, as a byproduct of having only 10 attack, I can only win fights with mobs that are 400-, which I expected and am alright with. What I want to know is, is it better to make a tank, if you can call this character a tank (I plan on sticking to this plan, adding points to only health and defense) I’ll leave that name for you to decide, or an even att/def character? I prefer this, because I want to be one of those glorified mobsters on the histlist 24/7 , but I would like your opinion as well.
July 10, 2009 pm31 3:25am
i am a level 99 i have a hard time desiding what wepons and stuff to foght with like for instance a Guided Missile Launcher is 20/5 and a
10-Liter Sarin Gas Sprayer
18/12
does the 20 repusent the number that is used when i attack and the 5 is what it has when im attacked???
i have 200 mobsters and right now i have it kinda split between the two with 150Guided Missile Launcher and 60 10-Liter Sarin Gas Sprayer any advice
July 10, 2009 pm31 3:30am
if anyone has any advive id really like to hear it thanks
August 5, 2009 pm31 6:25pm
lvl 384 attk 370 def 205 energy571 health 480 stam 21. i win almost everything i get eather 3 escorts tanks or exo a day i use the top mob to trade energy right now i have 50 exos 150 tanks and 158 escorts and a full set of the best attack items and deff items
August 11, 2009 pm31 9:21pm
rhino tanks are not purchasable after you unlock the mission otherwise everybody would just buy 500
September 3, 2009 pm31 12:31am
thats assuming u level up! lol! Rhino Tank
Upkeep: $100,000
Attack: 90
Defense: 45
Not purchasable, sells for half value
$10,000,000 Owned: 523
September 14, 2009 pm31 2:11pm
I still think a lot of the math is off, also around level 300 it takes about 900 experiance points to level up and the math here is only showing it as 300.
The difference from 100 - 500 went from 70,000 to 20,000 using just the 300 points to level up. It does not take into account that fact it goes up to 500 at level 115 and up again to 900 later. Also if you use the free energy link then you are getting about 2 tanks per day not one.
Lets also not forget about anytime you loose a fight your loosing experance also which means your not leveling up at this says you will.
October 2, 2009 pm31 5:53pm
Level 278, Nightowl
Fights Won: 9904 (96% Winning Rate)
Fights Lost: 402 (or 4 loses out of 100 fights)
Deaths: 37
Mobsters Wacked: 142
Attack: 5 (I can control who I attack, enemies w/ under 300 mobbies)
Defense: 702 (I cant control who attacks me, so it all goes into defense)
Energy: 17 (just enuf to cover lower missions for now until mastery; relying on “sent energy”)
Health: 1392 (trying to keep down deaths as attacks get progressively more severe. I’ll probly reduce investing in this)
Stamina: 22 (seems to be enuf to ice someone if they offend me i.e. wound and ice at hospital; But haven’t gotten into it w/ anyone lately. Laying low to build up hourly income to attract more ppl to add me to their top mob. At $424M net income)
Reading everyone’s comments, it seems like those who’ve invested in attack/defense have better winning percentages. Not sure I understand the suicides to stay at one level so that one day they may one day become invincible, while having horrible stats… but I guess to each his own.
October 4, 2009 pm31 6:58am
Based on just the tank theory then perhaps this is a good ideal but you have to take into account if your doing missions you also can get exo skeletons and police escorts. I don’t even have 200 tanks yet and none of these other items and I win a lot.
Even with not having 500 of each of these, cuz that would take some time. The rough estimate above doesn’t come close to doing the going tank justice. Throw in new items like camo pants and other multipliers.
Say for instance I attack someone at the same level, their camo pants give them a 3000 point boost but yet I am still victorious.
Also if you don’t do the missions you miss out on a lot of great bonus items you get from doing the missions themselves. By far I think you are cheating yourself if you don’t get these added features as they come in quite handy in boosting your mobsters game play.
October 4, 2009 pm31 7:00am
Attack: 5 (I can control who I attack, enemies w/ under 300 mobbies)
Once you reach level 400 the number of mobsters with less than 500 mob members is rather low. Phenomenally low at that. I might see two a day at most with 400 mob members.
October 7, 2009 pm31 6:57pm
are you kidding?? do you know how long it would take mobster B to level up off only fights and only 10 fights a day??? no mobster A would Be flying by Mobster A from the start…. noob poster
October 9, 2009 pm31 12:41am
Its energy that stays at 10 not your stamina you unless i missed your point in some one’s posted reply.
October 14, 2009 pm31 5:27pm
Level 429
Fights Won 8204
Fights Lost 4158
Death 37
Mobsters Whacked 61
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Attack Strength 438
Defense Power 171
Max Energy 263
Max Health 4084
Max Stamina 24
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Income $1,341,872,100
Upkeep From Equipment $483,730,105
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Rhino Tank 350
Cold War-Era Gunboat 120
Small Police Escort 110
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I win like 75% of me fights. What do you think guys? What should I do to imporve my fight strengh?
thanks a lot guys.
October 17, 2009 pm31 12:52pm
Well… first off, I don’t care about stats. I kill myself daily to prevent leveling up. currently i have 525 tanks and can take out mobsters well above my level of 125 — I win most fights I pick.
October 21, 2009 pm31 6:12am
yea getting the tanks isnt worth it if you lvl up each time you get it plus with the 200 energy link you dont have to waste skill points my friend saved up all his energy till he was able to get 517 of those babys and well he fuckin dominates
December 10, 2009 pm31 8:47pm
Ummm no no one ever needs to add any stats to their energy, yet be able to get tanks and anything else they want, so now everyone can put all stats into defense and attack, yet still get tanks,
December 10, 2009 pm31 8:49pm
since even at level one, if you have enough mobsters in your mob giveing you energy, you can get hundreds or even a thousand worth energy a day with out ever increasing your energy level with stats, so tanks would win
December 29, 2009 pm31 6:05pm
I don’t see why you guys are still arguing about it. It’s a moot point now. Maxing out on catskill resorts gives you 84 energy without burning skill points; add in energy boosts, 200 free energy a day, and espresso maker and the old math goes out the window.
I went with 150 energy for tanks off the bat, and even without energy boosts i still would have done it when you add in exoskeletons, KGB assasins, police escorts and gunboats.. Also, not everybody will get tons of energy boosts, that takes a big mob, a high bounty, and unfortunately an energy bot. (By the way Place Bounty on “Matteus Fonzinelli” (Minimum of $17,883,187,000) and i return all energy myspace.com/speedygsr ..hehe)
This account’s setup is 181 Attack, 903 defense.. and 373 tanks, 200 exoskeletons, 100 police escorts. Works out pretty good when being attacked, which is what i was going for..
January 18, 2010 pm31 9:56am
I have 528 tanks and one is the experimental tank. I got my tanks in less than 6 months because of the energy you send back and forth to your mobies. I ralely loose a fight but if you keep getting police escorts as well (to the size of your mob) you will be unbeatable. Twin Gun Kelly
July 23, 2010 pm31 7:42pm
I have a very balanced account and it works well in some ways. It depends h ow you look at it though. I’m still a low level though (somewhat), but here’s how things are going (note I have very few mobbies because I don’t add people I don’t know):
68 attack, 66 defence, 475 energy, 714 health, 20 stamina
I have an income of 550m and have 1 trillion on hand. I hardly bounty hunt and I don’t focus on attacking. I make huge amounts of money because of my strategy, and I can kill anyone with less than 500 mob (keep in mind I have 24 mob). I’m still level 178 and I intend to my strategy. I didn’t need the rhino tanks.
August 8, 2010 pm31 5:24pm
There’s a few posts here that are educated, and some that aren’t… Today’s “Mobster” doesn’t have to worry about attribute points being placed into Energy. Between the 200 free energy a day that you can get at ( TinyURL.com/PFME200 ), (provided you have a mob size over 300) and passing around energy trades with mobbies, you stand the ability to gain energy without having to place attribute points there… Mobster B, Josh, would be able to level quite quickly this way, provided there’s not a lot of dying going on in his account. David, here’s some math you NEED to apply… Every level, from 1 to 100, you gain the ability to use 5 more weapons, armor, everything, PROVIDED you’ve got the mob members to support it… You having only 24 mob members, you’re fighting with 120 max weapons and such… You could be fighting with 500 (+any hired guns and top mob), if you had more mobbies…
NOW, as far as this subject is concerned… Seems like only a couple people who’ve posted here really get it… So I’ll try to explain in a more direct explanation.
EVERY skill point that you place into attack or defense amounts to 500 “power”… The times in fights where you see “Your attack power increased by 10,465 because of your…” it’s talking about that 500 “Power”… Yeah, the math is spuratic, but that’s what it’s referencing. So if you’re placing attribute points into energy instead of attack or defense, you’re taking away from your power, no matter what weapons/equipment you have… Skill points are the SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT aspect to this game. PERIOD. Not weapons.
Example: A good friend of mine and I like testing eachother in fights… He’s got 540 tanks, 540 exos, 540 KGB-agents… Some of the best equipment the game’s got to offer. I’ve got 1/8 of it. Based on where our attribute points are, I kick his can attacking and defending. If our stats had been placed otherwise, that quite simply wouldn’t be the case, but as it sits, it is what it is. Period.
If you’ve got the Energy for it, the tanks will help, provided your skill points designate it doing so. No matter what level you are.
End of subject.